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	<title>Intrepid Blog &#187; ajax</title>
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	<description>A few thoughts</description>
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		<title>PHPavascript</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bas Westerbaan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Web development]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ajax]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Due to the recent hypes around Ajax and web development I&#8217;ve been thinking about a more effective method to write web applications running both on the server as on the client by writing code in just one environment and language instead of two: PHPavascript.
Having all kinds of fancy libraries to help you does help a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the recent hypes around Ajax and web development I&#8217;ve been thinking about a more effective method to write web applications running both on the server as on the client by writing code in just one environment and language instead of two: PHPavascript.</p>
<p>Having all kinds of fancy libraries to help you does help a lot; but you still got to manage transfering all data from the client and the server and back by hand; which espacially with javascript is quite tricky to do not only because it isn&#8217;t the easiest language to debug but also because every browser tends to do things a bit different with javascript.</p>
<p>It would be nice, I thought, to have a language for developing sererside and client side at the same time:</p>
<blockquote><pre style="font-size: larger">client TextBox mytextbox = TextBox.FromId("mytextbox");

int server function CalculateSum(first, second) {
  return first + second;
}

void client function ShowSum(first, second) {
  mytextbox.text = CalculateSum(first, second);
}

ShowSum(10,1000);</pre>
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<p>Basicly you mark a language entity to be either on the client or server side. The compiler would take care of the rest.</p>
<p>This would be really cool if it would be implemented but there would be quite a few issues:</p>
<ul>
<li>All client side functions and variables can be forged by the user; a naive programmer could put too much trust in functions on the client side</li>
<li>Synchronizing variables on server and client side and executing functions on server and client side could with a suffisticated algorithm be managed pretty decently although it would still create a lot of overhead when the programmer doesn&#8217;t pay attention on the usage of his function/variable location. Having hundreds of variable transfers for one page would be a lot, although very possible when a programmer doesn&#8217;t take care or the compiler is too dumb.</li>
<li>Language features available on the server side and only available on the client side with dirty hacks could be a bottleneck if the programmer doesnt take enough care. How to implement a mySQL connection for instance (not considering the fact that it wouldn&#8217;t be very safe in the first place)</li>
<li>etc</li>
</ul>
<p>Basicly it would be way easier to develop a web application but I don&#8217;t know what would be better: having a hard to handle situation as it is now where you are forced to think efficiently, or an easy to use environment as such a language could provide where everything works with the temptingness of not even thinking about what happens beneath the bonnet.</p>
<p>Although there still are these advantages:</p>
<ul>
<li>Vastly reduced development time</li>
<li>Highly maintainable code; a compiler could even create seperate javascript files for each specific browser and compile to the desired server side language</li>
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		<title>Ajax, the hype</title>
		<link>http://blog.affien.com/archives/2005/03/22/ajax-the-hype/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bas Westerbaan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Web development]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ajax]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s new!
It&#8217;s cool!
And now it even got a name! Ajax.
(what&#8217;s ajax?)
The funny this is that it is quite old and it has been used for a long time already. It just wasn&#8217;t hyped before.
Also this phenomenon clearly illustrates the dissatisfaction with the current static Html document standard common to the world wide web. Don&#8217;t deny [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s new!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s cool!</p>
<p>And now it even got a name! <strong>Ajax</strong>.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php">what&#8217;s ajax?</a>)</p>
<p>The funny this is that it <em>is quite old</em> and it has been <em>used for a long time</em> already. It just wasn&#8217;t <em>hyped</em> before.</p>
<p>Also this phenomenon clearly illustrates the dissatisfaction with the current static Html document standard common to the world wide web. Don&#8217;t deny it: html sucks for user interfaces! Html is a format for <em>documents</em> not<em>user interfaces</em>.</p>
<p>A child of Html could make a nice User Interface definition; main thing would getting rid of awquard javascript. Using a more dynamic Document Object Model, and espacially a consistant one, with some kind of Intermediate Language providing power but still security like Java, or .Net or maybe a new one, which should be hosted by the browser itself instead of a nasty plugin noone has, would be perfect.</p>
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