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	<title>Comments on: On the App Engine lock-in</title>
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	<description>A few thoughts</description>
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		<title>By: Bas Westerbaan</title>
		<link>http://blog.affien.com/archives/2008/04/15/on-the-app-engine-lock-in/comment-page-1/#comment-167939</link>
		<dc:creator>Bas Westerbaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CouchDB is not quite ready yet anytime soon.  I&#039;d place my bets on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hypertable.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hyper Table&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase/HbaseArchitecture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hadoop&#039;s HBase&lt;/a&gt; which are explicitly modeled after Google&#039;s Bigtable.

The hurdle with fetching pages and mail isn&#039;t really that big:  it&#039;s not exactly what you do all the time you write an app.  Bigtable isn&#039;t that bad either, those unfashionable JOINS were going away anyway.  And for the common case Django&#039;s abstraction still works fine.

Though the limitations can indeed be a pain, it isn&#039;t just the scaling that is cool about AppEngine.  I think that Python will really get a boost as a web application development language.  We&#039;ll, no doubt, see a lot of new libraries and frameworks (all with AppEngine like restrictions in mind) written in Python, which is interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CouchDB is not quite ready yet anytime soon.  I&#8217;d place my bets on <a href="http://www.hypertable.org/" rel="nofollow">Hyper Table</a> or <a href="http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase/HbaseArchitecture" rel="nofollow">Hadoop&#8217;s HBase</a> which are explicitly modeled after Google&#8217;s Bigtable.</p>
<p>The hurdle with fetching pages and mail isn&#8217;t really that big:  it&#8217;s not exactly what you do all the time you write an app.  Bigtable isn&#8217;t that bad either, those unfashionable JOINS were going away anyway.  And for the common case Django&#8217;s abstraction still works fine.</p>
<p>Though the limitations can indeed be a pain, it isn&#8217;t just the scaling that is cool about AppEngine.  I think that Python will really get a boost as a web application development language.  We&#8217;ll, no doubt, see a lot of new libraries and frameworks (all with AppEngine like restrictions in mind) written in Python, which is interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Gelens</title>
		<link>http://blog.affien.com/archives/2008/04/15/on-the-app-engine-lock-in/comment-page-1/#comment-167930</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Gelens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is already running on Amazon EC2:
http://jchris.mfdz.com/code/2008/4/announcing_appdrop_com__host_go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is already running on Amazon EC2:<br />
<a href="http://jchris.mfdz.com/code/2008/4/announcing_appdrop_com__host_go" rel="nofollow">http://jchris.mfdz.com/code/2008/4/announcing_appdrop_com__host_go</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostly that won&#039;t be a problem, the challenge would be BigTable, but I guess CouchDB could be used for that.

The question is, would this really be more interesting? I doubt it. People don&#039;t use AppEngine because of it&#039;s great APIs. Let&#039;s face it, it&#039;s more difficult to use than &quot;normal&quot; APIs like httplib, mail libraries and normal interfaces to relational databases. It&#039;s its scalability that makes it interesting. Even if you would get the software from them, you would still need thousands of servers worldwide to scale like they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly that won&#8217;t be a problem, the challenge would be BigTable, but I guess CouchDB could be used for that.</p>
<p>The question is, would this really be more interesting? I doubt it. People don&#8217;t use AppEngine because of it&#8217;s great APIs. Let&#8217;s face it, it&#8217;s more difficult to use than &#8220;normal&#8221; APIs like httplib, mail libraries and normal interfaces to relational databases. It&#8217;s its scalability that makes it interesting. Even if you would get the software from them, you would still need thousands of servers worldwide to scale like they do.</p>
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